HMNS Continues Support of Anti-Religious Bullies

human sin makes us respond irrationally to people who are different










Before Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement, there was a man named Jackie Robinson who broke through the “color barrier” in professional baseball. His story is beautifully portrayed in the movie, 42. It is so sad how intolerant and bigoted whites were towards blacks back then. They were so cruel, using their power, influence, and Darwinistic nonsense to bully non-whites into submission and falsely portray themselves as “superior”.

Thankfully in America today, we don’t see this extreme intolerance and hatred towards others on the same level so many non-whites experienced in the past. But Scripture reminds us that all of us are sinners (that means me, and that means you) in need of a Savior(Romans 3:23). So, until the King returns, we should not be surprised to see 21st Century humans responding with intolerance and bigotry towards those who look and think differently.  And just like intolerance toward non-whites was fueled by irrational and anti-intellectual groups wearing costumes (think “KKK”), expect the same from 21st Century groups that promote 20th Century, pre-Civil Rights intolerance.

Who am I referring to? Well, it’s the same group I posted about yesterday, who, like the KKK, are planning to come in costume to the Texas Home School Coalition’s annual convention in the Woodlands. And what are they doing there? Well, believe it or not, their purpose is to display their intolerance towards Christians who have a different opinion about dinosaur history than they do! That’s right, they’re protesting DINO HISTORY. They are intolerant of folks like me and the fact that, by God’s grace, we trust the authority of His word over the authority of men in costumes.

The atheists will be at the THSC convention this Saturday, Aug. 3. Atheist Aron Ra has encouraged them, in KKK bigotry fashion, to attend in costume ((Warning! Aron is quite the capitalist, fueling his anti-religious bigotry with “pop-up” advertisements that appear when you click on any links, plus ads to the side of the blog text).

On Sunday, the same group is planning on having an anti-religion rally disguised as an “Answers in Science” meeting at the Houston Museum of Natural Science. I’ve asked HMNS to cancel the meeting, and let this group of intolerant bullies meet elsewhere. We don’t approve of bullies in the classroom, so why does HMNS approve of them in their lecture hall? The atheist gang is certainly entitled to express their opinion and display their intolerance of others for the world to see. I just think it’s wrong for HMNS to profit off of renting intolerant bullies a place to meet.

Yesterday, Brad Levy of HMNS (713-639-4629, press “2″ and ask for Brad) gave the excuse that it’s “too late in the game” to ask them to cancel. No, it’s not too late. After I tweeted my blog post to @hmns, I received a response from HMNS VP of Marketing and Communications, Latha Thomas (713-639-4712), who informed me “Organizations are permitted to rent our event space, unless we determine, at our sole discretion, that an event is reprehensible or repugnant.” I called Latha today, but she never returned my call. I am wondering if she has seen any of the comments on my blog post from yesterday? I wonder if HMNS would think any of these are “reprehensible or repugnant?”

“Enjoy your wailing and gnashing of teeth, because reality is coming to bite you HARD.”

“Religion is a mental illness.”

Or how about this from “Answers in Science” speaker Aron Ra (who is not a scientist), whose blog is subtitled: “Science doesn’t know everything. Religion doesn’t know anything.” Should that be HMNS’ new motto, too? I certainly hope not! Pray for HMNS directors to make a wise decision about all this, and see the anti-religious bullies for what they are.

Pray also for atheists like Aron Ra, who defy reason and scholarship by presenting a false battle between science and religion. In Advancement of Learning, Francis Bacon, founder of the scientific method, said that “a man cannot be too well studied in the book of God’s word or the book of God’s works.” He also said we should “Study first, the Scriptures, then nature,” and that we should be careful not to “unwisely mingle” the two together. Bacon’s foundation for connecting Scripture and nature was Matthew 22:29. It was obvious to Bacon, and it’s obvious to me and many other Christians, that there is an incredible unity and diversity between God’s word and His works, or “divinity and philosophy” as Bacon said, or “religion and science” as moderns say.

Only a fool would say there’s a conflict between science and religion. Pray that, instead of pushing intolerance and bigotry, that God would change these atheists hearts. Otherwise, the more they bully, and the more groups like HMNS continue to profit from their intolerance, the closer we’ll get to separate fountains.

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25 Comments on “HMNS Continues Support of Anti-Religious Bullies”

  1. Spector567 Says:


    With respect, most fundamentalists have almost no right to claim the moral high ground on tolerance (this may not represent you of course). Considering there average opinion an everything from gays, to other religions or even different groups within their own religion is pretty damn intolerant often crossing the line to bigoted. Cripes they can’t even tolerate there kids being exposed to people they might disagree with so they keep them at home. You are more than stretching it to suggest the this group of atheists is anything like the KKK.

    Now you may just think you are just interpreting things differently. However, what separates you from most Christian churches, most other Christians on this earth is that we don’t have to ignore any facts and all of our facts consistently and independently fit together without having to randomly change the laws of the universe, or suggest that knowledgeable people are incompetent.

    So I hope you’ll understand if the natural history museum ignores you. You spend a great deal of time suggesting that every single thing and person who works or runs that museum is incompetent for using accepted science that almost every scientists and expert from across the globe agrees with, instead of re-interpreting, omitting and generally ignoring the laws of physics at random in order to fit into a predetermined world view. It’s something that colonial Europeans did when they wanted to prove that Blacks were an inferior species, something Darwin disproved and stood against as a member of the abolitionist movement.

    So while I can understand somewhat how you feel. It’s also rather hypocritical stance. You are complaining about this one public display and protest at one of your events and calling them the KKK. When Christian groups are regulars at atheist events doing much the same thing or worse but in greater numbers.

    Also on a side note how do you reconcile displaying the title of doctor and dismissing AranR’s opinion because he’s not a “scientist”. With the fact that you basically don’t put any weight in or have any respect for the opinion of millions of professionals, there knowledge, experience, or the millions of hours of work they have done. This is a very contradictory stance and an extreme double standard.

    And just to dispel any preconceived notions I’m not an atheist. I’m just one of the many Christians that has lost a lot of respect for the creationists agenda over the years.

    • gensci Says:

      Hi Spector,
      So, do you think that us humans in the 21st Century have got the unobservable past all figured out? You aren’t skeptical of any claims about the past? And why do you equate my skepticism regarding the timing and rates of past events with a lack of respect for the work of researchers? I reference secular researchers all the time. And besides, even secular researchers disagree with each other about the rates and timing of things. Plus, 100 years ago, if you even mentioned the word “catastrophism” in your research, you were an immediate outcast, for fear that if word got out, it just might provide evidence for the Genesis Flood. J. Harlan Bretz learned this the hard way, and it took him 40 years to convince secularists that the Channeled Scablands were carved rapidly from end of Ice Age meltwaters. Today, virtually no secular geologist is a strict uniformitarian, they are actualists, and I learn a lot from them.

      Also, my main reason from homeschooling is not to keep my kids from being exposed to people they might disagree with. I homeschool because it’s fun, and I can give my children a better education than a school can, and because it’s what God wants me to do. Is that okay?

      I’m sorry you have lost respect for creationists, but honestly, for me anyways, I agree with A LOT of things secular geologists publish. It’s interpretations of the unobservable past where I usually disagree. It’s okay to disagree about that without being disrespectful.

      I believe God has dominion over creation, and at times intercedes in ways we don’t completely understand, such as at creation, at the Flood, Christ’s virgin birth and resurrection. But I trust His story about these things. Do you believe in Christ’s virgin birth and resurrection from the dead?

      I encourage you to think and pray about your comments again, and consider also the anti-religious motivation of this atheist group. Not all atheists are like them thankfully. However, if we don’t stand up to anti-religious bullies, we most certainly will be drinking from different fountains soon. There is no “science vs. religion” battle, and those who think so will stifle scientific progress. Look at what these atheists are doing. Are they out advancing 21st Century science? No, they’re protesting dinosaur history. That’s irrational. Pray that God will change their hearts.

    • Justin Says:

      You sir are a prime example of why I could never be a christian. Every christian atheist agnostic muslim etc person of integrity would be ashamed of your blatant bigotry and projection of that bigotry. I hope you realize that if your religion is true, you are causing people to go to hell because they are incapable of believing that the “one truth” could ever inspire such dishonesty and propagandizing.

      • gensci Says:

        Hi Justin,
        We don’t choose God. God chooses us. If you ever become a Christian, it’s because He chose you, and then you accept His gift of faith. We love Him because He first loved us (I John 4:19).

        As for the dishonesty and propagandizing, can you give me one or two examples of this that we could discuss?

  2. Geek Goddess Says:

    Seriously? Christians are half the people in this country but THEY are being bullied? When a group of people are teaching their children incorrect and fast information, that hurts all of us. You are certainly entitled to your “different opinion” but you are not entitled to your own facts. Teaching your children false science keeps them from knowing the truth, competing or participating in the world marketplace. How much sooner would we have started space exploration if Copernicus and Galileo had not been suppressed by Christian theology for over two hundred years. (Or do you teach your children that the earth is flat, and immovable, and that the sun revolves around it? That’s also Biblical. Or it was until it could no longer be held up by reasonable people.) essentially only the US and the Islamic countries teach their children that dinosaurs co-existed with humans.

    Nice company.

    • gensci Says:

      Dear Geek Goddess,
      If your post is to prove that you are NOT an anti-religious bigot, you are failing miserably. Hey, and by they way, the problem with Galileo was that the Catholic Church had dogmatically embraced Aristotle’s view’s regarding geocentrism. We have the same dogmatism issues today, with many universities embracing Darwinism at the rejection of all other interpretations of origins. So, contrary to the way you are trying to frame things, I am all for testable, repeatable science. When it comes to interpreting unrecorded history though, that’s something to discuss, not be dogmatic about, and certainly not protest! If folks like you spent more time actually doing scientific things and inventing new technologies, this world would be a much better place. Please stop wasting your time worrying about my views on dino history.

      • Geek Goddess Says:

        I’m an anti-creationist scienctist. Most mainstream religions don’t have the YEC belief system. Protesting this is not bigotry. It’s not anti-religious when most religions don’t believe it, either.

        “Darwinism”, or the science of evolution, is beyond Biblical creationism as much as Galileo is beyond Aristotle, in your example.

        As soon as the Discovery Institute or any other group provides research and testable claims about creationism, I’ll listen. Mostly, they seem to spend their time trying to disprove points of science that deal with evolution, not proving up their own original research.

        I’m a scientist and engineer, by the way, and actually DO science things and have new technologies, with patents, on real things that are in the world right now. That created some new jobs and put money into the economy right here in Texas! Thanks for asking!

      • gensci Says:

        Hey, that’s cool that you have created some new technologies! What were they?

      • Geek Goddess Says:

        Recovering NGLs from high CO2 gas so the gas can be used in oil field applications. Cleaning up sulfur byproducts from re-dox reactions to make is usable and marketable rather than landfill waste. Converting flue gases with biosolids.

        My *hobby* is promoting science literacy and education.

      • gensci Says:

        Awesome stuff! Now, keep on promoting scientific literacy, but just tolerate a little more skepticism of natural history interpretations that differ from yours.

      • Geek Goddess Says:

        You keep using the word ‘tolerance’ but I do not think it means what you think it means.

        I also do not tolerate the anti-vax people. They are interpreting science that differ from mine, and they are wrong. They cause harm. Their information, their interpretation of the information, is wrong. They try to teach that healthy food and exercise are all that’s needed to keep away polio, measles, etc. They have ‘science’ to back them up, and ‘science’ to prove that the Big Pharma advocates are so in thrall of drugs, profits, and keeping people sick that the truth is being hidden.

        I don’t tolerate them, either. I can respect the individual people, but I do NOT respect their opinions, I don’t tolerate their beliefs. I can tolerate the crappy music my sons listen to. I can tolerate I can tolerate people with facial piercings, even thought I detest it. I can tolerate the awful Houston rush hour traffic.

      • gensci Says:

        So what we’re talking about here though is the unobservable past, and since you reject Scripture as having anything to say about history, you’re talking about the unrecorded past as well. We are not talking about the science behind vaccines.

        You have set yourself up as judge over what is and isn’t true about the unobservable past, as if you have some sort of time machine to verify your claims. Of course, you have no time machine, genie, or crystal ball, so it is irrational for you to act like you are the final authority over what is true history. As if we humans here in the 21st century have got all of the unobserved past perfectly figured out. So, do you mind if I’m skeptical of how you interpret history? Can you tolerate it, and get on with promoting testable, repeatable science instead?

  3. Reyn Kvothe Says:

    The KKK was a Christian organisation if I remember correctly…

    • gensci Says:

      And your point is? Christians aren’t immune to sin. In America today, Christians and non-Christians both are responsible for murdering millions of innocent babies, who never had a chance to pursue the self-evident rights of life, liberty and happiness.

  4. Reyn Kvothe Says:

    “We don’t approve of bullies in the classroom, so why does HMNS approve of them in their lecture hall?” – Yet you were the one trying to bully the HMNS to cancel this event…. Are you a hypocrite as well as a bully?

  5. Chris Says:

    “Only a fool would say there’s a conflict between science and religion.”

    so you think anyone who doesn’t accept a literal view of Genesis to be a fool then? b/c if you accept it or not, modern science and a literal reading of Genesis are not compatible.

    I hope you are self-aware enough to realize that your interepation of the geologic history of earth was last generally accepted 300+ years ago. you are an anachronism today, as is your right to be. But what you don’t have a right to do is inject your mythology into public science education.

    It is an embarrassment to this great state that you have any influence on what our children’s science text books contain. How can we compete in a global marketplace when you want bronze age myths to be taught as science?

    • gensci Says:

      Hi Chris, my company’s math and science standards are higher than this great state’s standards. What you should be embarrassed about is the math illiteracy in this state and nation. Instead, you waste your time raging against interpretations of dinosaur history that differ from yours. You are worried about a historic thing, which causes you to neglect the scientific things. I would love to help you see how anti-science your thinking is. And it is you, not me, with degrees in engineering and science from the best universities in this great state, who is anti-science. Would you like to discuss this more?

      • Shawn Says:

        Hilarious. The second the YEC old fogies stop spouting religious nonsense and pushing it into the classroom, maybe we will have more time to teach real science.

      • gensci Says:

        Actually Shawn,
        The second folks like you stop worrying about YEC, repent and turn to Christ, and then be about tackling math illiteracy in America, then life will be better for everyone. Your focus is totally wrong. Math is the language of science. There is no “YEC” problem, but there is a huge math illiteracy problem. I’m actively involved in improving mathematics education in America, are you?

      • Lurch Says:

        Actually gensci,
        The second folks like you stop worrying about evolution, study and turn to Science, and then be about tackling Creationism in America, then life will be better for everyone. Your focus is totally wrong. Reason and evidence is the language of science. There is no “Evolution” problem, but there is a huge religion problem. I’m actively involved in improving science education in America, are you?

      • gensci Says:

        Hi Lurch, I’m not worried about evolutionism at all. I know God is not wringing his hands, wondering “Oh, what am I going to do about evolutionism?!” I teach evolutionism and creationism. Check out my website,, and you’ll see that my standards for high school math and science are higher than any state or government standards in America.

        You mentioned you are actively involved in improving science education in America. That’s great! What are you doing?

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